It was the video card that failed, it is replaced and everything is working great
Unfortunately MacVidCards seems to not have had any stock since September 2016, so I wasn't going to get a flashed replacement card.
So I started looking for a PC NVIDIA GTX 980 4 GB with 2 6 pin power supply. This was much easier said than done. There are still quite a few new 980's out there, but most of them either have 2 8 pin, or 1 8 pin and 1 6 pin for their power supplies. Looks like with the 10 series out (even though those won't work in a Mac since NVIDIA hasn't bothered writing drivers for them) that the 6 pin 980 have become rather sparse.
Finally I was able to find a ZOTAC NVIDIA GTX 980 4GB AMP! Edition which had the requisite 2 6 pin adapters, and a bit of a speed increase over stock along with 3 fans instead of 2. I had never even heard of ZOTAC before, but most reviews seem like it is a pretty good company.
I got the card and installed it, no startup screen of course, but it runs great. And speed tests show it is about 100% faster than the 670 I had installed, and it works great, the crashes are gone. And Premiere Pro runs great!
MacPro Crashes are certainly to do with my NVIDIA Video Card
I am running 10.12.2 with 32 GB of 1066 MHz DDR3 and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 4095 MB and I had started getting bad crashes with noise in the image, which I show in a previous post. And it was happening more and more, especially when trying to run Premiere Pro. I had been running the OS X driver instead of the web driver, as it seemed to be more stable, but when I switched to the web driver 3184.108.40.206f01 those crashes stopped, though I did get random restarts still, and crashes when I try and run Premiere Pro (which my previous posts show was from the Web Driver).
So the fact that the different drivers have the different crashes to me seems to show that it is for sure the video card that is causing the crashes. Unfortunately I don't really have the money right now for a replacement. Eventually I want to replace this whole rig with a PC (as the 2013 Trashcan MacPro is not a powerful enough machine for what I need) but that would be even more.
Now I currently have Premiere Pro running, but am doubtful it won't crash again soon. And I have run TechTool Pro 12 and it showed my Graphics RAM as being fine. Are there any other tests to see if my video card is for sure failing? I posted at Apple forums, but have gotten no help.
EDIT: Well I was wrong about none of the video noise crashes with the Web Driver. I hadn't had any, but when running Premiere they happen with consistence. I have had 4 of them in less than an hour. Seems like as soon as CUDA cuts in the issue is happened with the web driver. Basically I can't use Adobe (the main use for my machine) or I get the crashes. SHIT!
EDIT 2: Also posted on MacRumors and at least one poster says bad video card.
Still getting bad crashes on my MacPro, seems to be connected to NVIDIA card
Tue Jan 3 17:13:57 2017
*** Panic Report ***
panic(cpu 14 caller 0xffffff7f8c15235e): NVRM[0/5:0:0]: Read Error 0x0010a1c4: CFG 0x118910de 0x00100406 0x8a000000, BAR0 0x8a000000 0xffffff93b424d000 0x0e4090a2, D0, P3/4
Backtrace (CPU 14), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff93cd37b760 : 0xffffff800aef211c
0xffffff93cd37b7e0 : 0xffffff7f8c15235e
0xffffff93cd37b8a0 : 0xffffff7f8c22cf7d
0xffffff93cd37b900 : 0xffffff7f8c53ee0a
0xffffff93cd37b960 : 0xffffff7f8c21e17e
0xffffff93cd37b9b0 : 0xffffff7f8c21de09
0xffffff93cd37ba60 : 0xffffff7f8c2c6b82
0xffffff93cd37bac0 : 0xffffff7f8c26884d
0xffffff93cd37bb00 : 0xffffff7f8c268230
0xffffff93cd37bcb0 : 0xffffff7f8c12ebf8
0xffffff93cd37bcf0 : 0xffffff7f8c2c6a61
0xffffff93cd37bd20 : 0xffffff7f8c540530
0xffffff93cd37bd40 : 0xffffff7f8c540418
0xffffff93cd37bd90 : 0xffffff7f8c528252
0xffffff93cd37be00 : 0xffffff7f8c25e109
0xffffff93cd37be20 : 0xffffff7f8c158b71
0xffffff93cd37bee0 : 0xffffff800b4be51f
0xffffff93cd37bf30 : 0xffffff800b4bcd81
0xffffff93cd37bf80 : 0xffffff800b4bc366
0xffffff93cd37bfb0 : 0xffffff800aea0af7
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
Mac OS version:
Darwin Kernel Version 16.3.0: Thu Nov 17 20:23:58 PST 2016; root:xnu-3789.31.2~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 8DF81F81-019F-348E-B47E-40A4484B9E21
Kernel slide: 0x000000000ac00000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff800ae00000
__HIB text base: 0xffffff800ad00000
System model name: MacPro5,1 (Mac-F221BEC8)
System uptime in nanoseconds: 23837399125361
last loaded kext at 23090533694669: com.apple.driver.AppleXsanScheme 3 (addr 0xffffff7f8e32e000, size 32768)
last unloaded kext at 23625041872161: com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 900.4.1 (addr 0xffffff7f8e31f000, size 12288)
Model: MacPro5,1, BootROM MP51.007F.B03, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.26 GHz, 32 GB, SMC 1.39f5
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670, PCIe, 4095 MB
Memory Module: DIMM 1, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D324C344737324342344E41314E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 2, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D324C344737324342344E41314E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 3, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x802C, 0x33364A53463531323732505A2D3147344631
Memory Module: DIMM 4, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x802C, 0x33364A53463531323732505A2D3147344631
Memory Module: DIMM 5, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D324C344737324342344E41314E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 6, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D324C344737324342344E41314E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 7, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x802C, 0x33364A53463531323732505A2D3147344631
Memory Module: DIMM 8, 4 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x802C, 0x33364A53463531323732505A2D3147344631
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x111), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (220.127.116.11.1a4)
Bluetooth: Version 5.0.2f4, 3 services, 27 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Ethernet 1, Ethernet, en0
Network Service: Ethernet 2, Ethernet, en1
Network Service: Wi-Fi, AirPort, en2
Serial ATA Device: HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GH41N, 841.8 MB
Serial ATA Device: HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH12LS38
Serial ATA Device: ST3000DM001-1CH166, 3 TB
Serial ATA Device: ST3000DM001-1CH166, 3 TB
Serial ATA Device: ST3000DM001-1ER166, 3 TB
Serial ATA Device: OWC Mercury Electra 6G SSD, 960.2 GB
USB Device: USB 3.0 Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: BRCM20702 Hub
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: Microsoft Trackball Explorer®
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: iPhone
USB Device: Hub
USB Device: Razer Orbweaver
USB Device: Hub
USB Device: PTK-540WL
USB Device: EDIROL UA-1D
USB Device: Transcend
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: USB 2.0 Hub [MTT]
USB Device: USB 2.0 Hub [MTT]
USB Device: USB UltraPro
USB Device: USB 2.0 Hub [MTT]
USB Device: USB 2.0 Hub [MTT]
USB Device: Powerbeats³
USB Device: Fitbit Base Station
FireWire Device: ElitePro Qx2, OWC, Up to 800 Mb/sec
FireWire Device: Mercury Elite Pro Quad USB 3, OWC, Up to 800 Mb/sec
FireWire Device: built-in_hub, Up to 800 Mb/sec
FireWire Device: unknown_device, Unknown
My MacPro 4,1 is having nasty crashes, and I don't know why
So my MacPro 4,1, which has been firmware updated to a 5,1 so it is running OS X Sierra is having some nasty crashes, where I get this crazy video noise and the machine is basically locked up. I have to do a hard shutdown.
The system has 32GB of RAM and it's system is running of an OWC SSD in the a PCI Slot. It also has a USB 3 card, a Black Magic Intensity Pro and a PC NVIDIA GTX 670 with 4GB of RAM.
It started crashing in Premiere Pro, and DaVinci resolve so I thought it was video card related, but lately has been crashing at any time.
First I ran Cocktail and it's full suite of Automation. Then I restarted and ran Diskwarrior 5.0 from it's USB, but that didn't fix much if anything. And I upgraded to Tech Tool Pro 9 and ran it's full suite, and everything passed, including the video card (and I ran it's test a few more times). Strangely it ran longer while in the E-Drive than it has lately on it's own, which makes me think something with the system, and yet this looks like a very hardware centric crash.
And the system install is very recent, in the last 6 months it was a totally clean install.
Here is video of the crash:
I am just wondering if anyone else has seen anything like this? I am hoping it isn't hardware. Be it Video Card, motherboard or power supply, but it is getting so I can't do anything without a crash.
I have posted on the Apple Forums, and have one response.
I have looked at the console log and the files at ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/ and have not seen anything that would be causing this.
I do see that Expandrive is crashing all the time, which I know.
The New NVIDIA TITAN X is the King of the Hill!
GPU Engine Specs TITAN X GTX 1080
NVIDIA CUDA® Cores 3584 2560
Base Clock (MHz) 1417 1607
Boost Clock (MHz) 1531 1733
GbpsMemory Speed 10 10
GDDR5XStandard Memory Config 12 GB 8 GB
Memory Interface Width 384-bit 256 bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 480 320
Thermal and Power
Maximum GPU Temperature (in C) 94 94
Graphics Card Power (W) 250 W 180 W
Supplementary Power Connectors 8 pin and 6 pin 8 pin
That is an extra 1024 CUDA Cores for Adobe Creative Suite to play with, and an extra 4GB of faster RAM for not that much more power draw!
If you have been reading my posts, I have come to the realization that my next computer won't be a Mac, and have been looking at custom build PC's like Origin PC or Puget Systems. For a bit I was thinking that maybe 2 SLI GTX 1080's would be the answer for my CUDA needs, but that would basically eat all of my PCI slots. And I likely need some sort of Black Magic Design card to kick out video at least to an HD Monitor for editing, if not an Intensity Pro 4k. And while I can get a USB 3,1 external Raid for hard drives (as I likely won't get a ThunderBolt 3 Motherboard, unless I decide to build for myself), so I could live without a raid controller I would like need a Firefire PCI board to deal with my all my old hard drives until I can afford new enclosures.
So it looks like the new NVIDIA TITAN X would be my $1200 card of choice.
Trying to figure out what programs I will use if I move from Mac to PC
OneRiver Media on NVIDIA GTX 1080 being death nell of high end Mac Graphics
Marco Solorio of OneRiver Media talks about the NVIDIA GTX 1080 being the end of the MacPro as a high end graphics and editing system, since there is no longer a PCI based Mac! I do agree. The old PCI based MacPro will only last so much more, and it is already so far behind on modern technology.
So while I would prefer to run a Mac and OS X, I don't want the ridiculous Trashcan MacPro, and I want 2 GTX 1080's for a video card (or theoir version of a Titan), and hell I want the Microosft Surface Book as a laptop. Apple is pushing me away from the computer I love!
Message now works on my Mac and all it took was resetting my PRAM! Some NVIDIA weirdness though.
There was some strangeness though, and it is to do with my NVIDIA Geforce GTX 670 I mentioned in my previous post. After resetting the PRAM the computer came back up, but all the blue was orange again, and this time I took screenshots, but they looks correct once the problem is fixed! And to fix the issue I had to re-install the latest NVIDIA web drivers, though they were showing as already installed. Next time I will take a physical picture.
10.11.2 El Capitan update did not require NVIDIA web driver to boot (though it looks crazy)
This seems to have changed with 10.11.2. In fact it showed the updating screen before the Desktop, and then came to the desktop. Of course it was not normal, in fact all Blue Colors were Orange! I wish I had though to take screen shots, as after the update I upgraded the NVIDIA web driver and restarted and everything was back to normal.
This is awesome news if this continues in the future, as it makes it much easier to upgrade to the latest NVIDIA web driver. I hope it just wasn't a fluke.
OneRIver Media Blog on upgrading a 2009 MacPro to it's fullest potential
This involves replacing the processors with Dual 6 CPU's which you can now get for around $650 (or less for a slightly slower model) installing dual SSD's for a startup drive, an NVIDIA Titan X with 12 GB of Video RAM, 64 GB of 1333MHz RAM, 2 6TB internals and a 4TB internal. This is all doable for around $4000, much cheaper than a new Trashcan Macpro with the added bonus of an NVIDIA graphics card VS the unupgradeable ATI graphics cards in the new MacPro.
Honestly if I had the money this is what I would love to do with my Mac! It would give me years more life with my Mac and really make it fast!
Bare Feats compared the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 with 10 other GPU's in a 2010 Mac Pro
NVIDIA GTX Titan Z released
So NVIDIA's new flagship GeForce GTX Titan Z has been released, and as I have said before it is a beast! A dual Titan Card with 5760 CUDA cores! Damn I want to see how this would run on Premiere Pro. Probably only be able to use One Core for now, but if you could use the other to run your monitors, that would rock! Still $3000, youch!
Makes me want to build a PC for my next editing machine. Still can't believe the new MacPro's make me want a PC!
NVIDIA announces next gen Pascal GPU's and $3000 Titan Z Graphics Card
Pascal will use NVLink, to enhance the PCI connection between cards, and allow for 5x to 12x speeds over PCI Express. And with 3D stacking of chips to increase bandwidth between components we will have serious powerhouses here.
And the Titan Z has 12GB of memory and 5760 CUDA Cores! Wow, think of the CUDA accelerated editing with that! And Pascal will be even faster than that. AWESOME.
And this is why it was insane for Apple to give up on user expandable PCI Express cards in their computers. By limiting graphics to only specific AMD cards they have done their customers a huge disservice, and this is likely why I will end up with a PC someday.
NVIDIA has updated the Titan to the Titan Black
After updating the GTX 700 series, NVIDIA needed to put the Titan back on top, and it has with the Black!
With 2880 CUDA cores and 6 GB of 7.0 Gbps Speed Memory this thing should fly! It can perform single precision at 5.1 TFLOPS and double precision at 1.3TFLOPS so should be beating the GTX 780i for professional applications.
Personally I was hoping my next computer had 2 of these, and certainly not AMD cards!
NVIDIA releases Quadro, GeForce for OS X drivers
I tried installing them in my MacPro with a PC NVIDIA Geforce 670 and it wouldn't restart, had to zap the PRAM, so be careful with these!
NVIDIA release new CUDA drivers, fixes After Effects Crashes
I had to update to 5.5.28 first to get the 5.5.47 update, guess I have not updated in a while.
Apple Updates iMacs with Haswell Processors and NVIDIA 7 Series GPU's
If only APPLE would relent and release a MacPro that is actually expandable, and doesn't use just thunderbolt for expansion, but that is unlikely to happen. Thinking a hackintosh looks more and more likely in my Future!
Netkas does GTX Titan Speed tests on 10.9 and Win
Flash a PC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 to the Mac Edition
He even used a PC model like my 670 (though I did a 670 because of possible power issues with a 680, so though the Mac Version would be safer), though he was able to flash it into the Mac version so he gets the boot screen.
And honestly this is better for Adobe software as you get great CUDA support with it.
NVIDIA K6000 Quardro Announced
AnandTech has some great comparisons on this new wondercard.
Until I have a really big company to afford something like this I would still like a GTX TITAN.
VideoGuys on why to chose NVIDIA Quadro GPU's for Adobe Creative Cloud
Personally I want to see a really good Quadro vs GeForce comparison, especially something like a GTX Titan, and throw in AMD as well to see the OpenCL performance and really see which is best.
The Edit Doctor on NVIDIA Quadro Performance speeds with Premiere CC and my worries on new MacPro
And this is why I worry about the new MacPro. OpenCL acceleration is not nearly as fast as CUDA on the PC, and the Mac has always had a far inferior OpenCL installation. Multi GPU's are incredibly hard to code for and only give moderate performance enhancements on even the most mutli-GPU aware games on the PC, so they are only for the most hard core of gamers. The only exception to this is a Maximus configuration from NVIDIA which is a Quadro with a TESTLA card (the non-consumer version of a Titan), which has incredible power and speed and really can use both processors. This all leaves the new MacPro in the code. Most software won't be coded for multiple AMD GPU's and even if they are the performance increases are usually pretty modest, and OpenCL can't touch CUDA! So why made a new "pro" machine without the option for CUDA? The only argument I can see if form over function, and that seems to be what the new MacPro is all about!
After Effects CC would not activate my GTX 670 4GB on my MacPro
PVC on the NVIDIA QUADRO K5000
Steve Hullfish has a great article on the power of the NVIDIA QUADRO K5000 with CUDA enabled apps.
I really would like to see someone test the speeds on this next to a GTX TITAN and a GTX 680 MAC edition. I know the MacPro has a slower bus than what any of these can do, but I would still love to see the comparison as the QUADRO is expensive. And if you were to add a TESLA...
Bare Feats tries out Tandem Video Cards for Pro Rendering
Love that the GTX 680 is faster than the K5000s. Think if it was GTX TITANS! Ha!
Maximum PC benchmarks the new NVIDIA Geforce GTX 770
Maximum PC has benchmarks on the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 or TItan LE
I SO WANT ONE!!!
NVIDIA released Mac CUDA driver 5.0.59
Beware of NVIDIA web driver 313.01.01! Took my machine down for a day!
Yesterday I saw that NVIDIA had released a new web driver , 313.01.01, and was hoping it would help my Geforce GTX 670, but instead it caused a cascade of failures and kept me down for a whole day!
Installation went fine. bit on restart the computer would not come up. Eventually I had to put my old Geforce GTX 275 back into my Mac so I could use option and boot into my edrive or the emergency partition (both of which I had to use). First off even with the GTX 275 the computer would not boot at all, not in single user mode or even safe mode (well I honestly stopped Safe Mode after about 2 hours, it was still moving, but going so slow I didn't think it would boot.
And even emergency mode was trouble, because my external OWC 3TB backup drive, no longer mounted, so I couldn't do a restore from my Time Machine partition! And I didn't want to try and re-install the system over the old system, just in case, so I had to go to Best buy and get a new Hard Drive.
DId you know that the new Seagate Barracuda drives in fact don't say Barracuda anywhere on the box? It just stays Desktop, though the drive still says Barracuda! WTF?!?!?!??!
So I got that drive home and re-installed a fresh install of OS X on it, and then had it take my old user and settings from the old drive, which after about 5 hours worked just fine (though I had to move the drive internally as it wasn't working from my external USB housing for some reason).
After everything was in place (including my slow finder) i reinstalled my GTX 670 and the machine rebooted just fine, and even stranger now has the NVIDIA control panel installed, but not the new driver.
I could immediately see the menu bar item for the new control panel.
And when I opened the control panel it informed me that yes that driver is incompatible with my system! YES NO KIDDING! So what systems is it for?
I just wished it realized the Web Driver was not compatible before it installed it before, as it took down my whole system! And I had to buy a new hard drive to get it up and running again!
Improved GPU SUpport in Adobe Premiere Pro CC
It claims that the 64 Bit Architechture, the massively multi-threaded CPU optimization allow you to work without a great GPU, but with one is where things really shine, as we all know. And I love that you can enable a not officially supported card within the program without searching out the card name and modifying files. You can also use multiple GPU's for export though not for playback.
Renderosity reviews the NVIDIA QUADRO K4000
NVIDIA GTX 780 and 770 Coming May 23rd
NVIDIA's new PC Beta Drivers can improve game performance as much as 20%
NVIDIA creating a line of TITAN cards
There will be a higher end Titan Ultra:
This SKU will reportedly utilize all of the GK110’s 15 SMX clusters, giving it an edge over the regular Titan which has one cluster disabled with a total of 2,688 CUDA cores and 240 TMUs. As as result, the Titan Ultra will boast the full quota of 2880 shader cores and 256 texture units. Further, as opposed to the original’s 837 MHz clock speed and 206-Watt power appetite, the Ultra will have a 950 MHz clock speed and a 225W TDP
And a TITAN LE:
it will reportedly have 2496 CUDA cores, 208 TMUs, 40 ROPs, 320-bit DDR memory interface, 5 GB of GDDR5 and a 180-190W TDP
I would totally love an ULTRA TItan, as that is just a sick amount of CUDA.
Barefeats Compared EVGA NVIDIA Mac GTX 680 against PC GTX 680's in a Mac
Bare Feats has posted a part 2 to it's EVGA NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 680 Review with Professional Apps
Awesome to have the choice now and not have to get something off of ebay that is many generations old!
Barefeats speed test the EVGA NVIDIA Geforce GTX 680 Mac Edition and it is good!
Now if only Apple would allow more than 2GB of RAM (yes I know the QUADRO 5000K has 4GB of RAM, but you still have to hack your mac to get a PC NVIDIA card to run that has more than 2GB of RAM).
NVIDIA Releases the GTX Titan
I read about this amazing new video card in Maximum PC magazine.
This is the CUDA leap editors have been looking for without having to invest in the super expensive QUADRO line. Based on the Kepler GK110 instead of the GK104, this single processor card has twice the transistors and almost double the CUDA of the GTX 680! The GK110 are the chips used in the TESLA K20X GPU.
2688 CUDA cores in 14 SMX unites and 6GB of GDDR5 memory at 6GHz and a clock speed of 836MHz with a boost to 876Mhz and a 384 bit memory interface! Damn! And for $999. It also has GPU boost which will let you overclock it and have it change performance based on heat!
You can check it out over at NVIDIA's home page as well. And Maximum PC has released Benchmarks as well, which show it not as fast as the dual processor GTX 690, though for a single CPU it is faster (though they are the same price), but it will likely be better for CUDA for NVIDIA which at least on a Mac can't deal with the 2 processors of the GTX 690, though of course we can only hope to get this running on a Mac anyway!
EVGA Announces GeForce GTX 680 Mac Edition!
Macnn has the news on this exciting new video card for macs! And EVGA has it's page up on this monster. Finally a great Mac video card for a reasonable price. It has 1536 CUDA cores, 2GB of GDDR5 RAM and an HDMI, Display Port, and 2 DVI connections, and Newegg is claiming it comes out APril 8th for $600. Must have solved the power issue, as usually the 680's require 8 pin power and draw more than a MacPro can handle, which is why I have an EVGA GTX 670 in my mac.
Obviously they have not gotten around the Apple enforced 2 GB limit on Video cards, which is why I had to hack my machine to get my 4GB card running, but hopefully it does mean better video drivers for the 6 series Kepler cards! Woohoo! Should give me a performance boost for sure!
You can download the PDF spec sheet right here and start drooling!
Finally Premiere Pro has an official video card that will really kick ass and not break the bank.
Arstechnica on new NVIDIA 700M GPUs
And basically it sounds like the the new NVIDIA GPU's are the same as the 600M series, but with some slightly higher clock speeds, and a new GPU Boost 2.0, though these are all the lower end versions, and they haven't talked about the higher end versions as of yet.
More speed is always good, and faster CUDA even better, but I would rather see a new series be a new architecture than just a speed bump.
FX Guide on NVIDIA GPU Tech Conference
Volta sounds really exciting! 1TB a second bandwidth! Wow!
And I would love something like an Octane Renderer, but it is way too much, so I would never afford to get my hands on one.
Renderosity Reviews the NVIDIA QUADRO K5000
NVIDIA announces more Quadro Cards
I Am Film Guy on Moving from Mac to HP
I still worry about articles like this as it seems like they may be payed or getting gear for free (you can never tell), and they never go into the OS differences of moving from Mac to Windows, but you never know. I have been seriously considering the switch because Windows machines are so much newer and CUDA support so much better.
I thought about a Puget Systems custom system though.
Who knows, maybe the next MacPro will change my mind, if it ever comes out.
NVIDIA GTX TITAN
Kotaku has an article on the newly announced NVIDIA Geforce GTX Titan Video Card! With 2688 CUDA cores, 6 GB of Video RAM and the same processor as the NVIDIA Tesla G20X this would be a Premiere Pro dream card for $1000! Sure a MacPro couldn't couldn't power it, but we can always dream!
NVIDIA has a page on the Titan now. Damn I would love one!
StudioDaily on Dells over MacPros
Now of course their is still the question of what Apple's next MacPro will be like and if it will be a worthy and powerful successor to the current MacPro, but we won't know till it comes out, hopefully at this years WWDC.
Review of NVIDIA Geforce GTX 680m Graphics Card
I found a EuroGamer review of the GTX 680m, which tells me what I wanted to know about a 680M, but not a 680MX, but I found a review of that at Notebook Check.
Here is some of what they have to say:
Compared to the GeForce GTX 680M, the GTX 680MX features 1536 instead of 1344 CUDA cores and higher memory clocks (720/2500MHz vs 720/1800 MHz)
the graphics performance of the GeForce GTX 680MX should be 15 - 25 percent above the GTX 680M and similar to the Desktop GTX 580.And specs on the GTX 680mx from NVIDIA's site.
CUDA Cores - 1536
Core Speed - 720 Mhz
Memory Speed - 2500 Mhz
Texture Fill Rate (Billions per second) - 92.2
Max RAM - 2GB
And as for the GTX 670 from NVIDIA's site.
CUDA Cores - 1344
Core Speed - 915 Mhz
Memory Speed - 2500 Mhz
Texture Fill Rate (Billions per second) - 102.5
Max RAM - 4GB
So the iMac has more CUDA cores, but it's speed is not as fast, and it's memory speed is less than half the speed.
So basically the 680MX it is a really powerful mobile graphics chip, but not as powerful as it's equivalent Desktop GPU the GTX 670, and is more in line to a last generation GTX 580.
And yes it is not the easiest thing in the world getting a new generation NVIDIA card running in your MacPro, but it is not that hard, but should put your speed above that of the top of the line iMac GPU, and have more processing power, making it still champion, even though it is such dated technology at this point. Have to love expandability though as an old machine can still hold a performance edge, which is something the iMac will never have.
Lets just hope Apple makes a really good new MacPro this year.
13" MacBook Pro with Retina, not for Editing
Apple today released the 13" MacBookPro with Retina Display. And unlike it's 15" Cousing which sports an NVIDIA Geforce GT 650m and a Intel HD Graphics 4000, the 13 model only has the Intel HD Graphics 4000, which means no CUDA support for Premiere Pro editing, and certainly not as good graphics.
It is still an impressive little machine, but not really a solution for editors.
It starts at $1699 and is shipping today.
I wouldn't want one, as the 15" would be much more conducive to editing.
FCP.Co on installing a PC GTX570 in a MacPro
Still you can score over 1000 on Luxmark if you go for a GTX670 instead (which has a huge amount more of CUDA cores, and can still draw it's power from the internal power supply instead of say a 680, which would require an external power source to run), but they are not as well supported on the Mac. Either way you will need to go to Netkas to get some instruction and some help (though some of the help can be rather surly, but it is worth it if can really beef up using your MacPro). Someone at Netkas has also figure out how to Firmware update recent MacPro's to the latest firmware for the newest itineration, allowing beefier XEON's into your old MacPro.
The instructions are pretty easy, but I have found that they don't always work, so think about re-installing your NVIDIA drivers once you are done, as that did it for me.
You will also need to do some hacking to Premiere Pro and After Effects to get them working with the CUDA cores on a new video card.
NVIDIA releases new drivers for Mac
If you have experienced crashes in Premiere Pro CS6 or later when using a qualified NVIDIA GPU, we strongly recommend you update to this new driver version, which should improve stability. The crashes were mostly seen when switching from OpenCL to CUDA or when tabbing from other applications back to Premiere Pro (most notably Safari).
It doesn't mention all the crashes I was having for other reasons, and general premiere pro instability, but hopefully this will cover it. And hopefully I can move back to my GeForce GTX275 from my Quadro 4800 as the 4800 just isn't fast.
Wonder if this improves Kepler card support? That would be awesome, though I doubt it.
You can download from NVIDIA here.
Bare Feats has a DaVinci Resolve Speed Test on Mac
NVIDIA announces Kepler based Quadro K5000 GPU for Mac Pro!!!! This is huge for CUDA users!
Arstechnica has the news on this HUGE announcement. The K5000 is the replacement for the QUADRO 5000 and runs at $2249. You check it out at NVIDIA as well.
Built around NVIDIA's latest "Kepler" architecture, the double-wide card boasts 1536 processing cores shuffling pixels at up to 173GB/s along a 256-bit path to 4GB of GDDR5 memory. The card supports Shader Model 5.0, Open GL 3.2 on Mac OS X, and Open GL 4.3 and DirectX 11 when running Windows under BootCamp. And, it can support up to four monitors: two running at 2560x1600 over dual-link DVI ports, and two running up to 4096x2160 over DisplayPort 1.2. All that power also fits within an Energy Star-rated 122W power envelope.
This has serious CUDA performance and should be awesome for Adobe Premiere Pro and DaVinci Resolve 9.
Even more exciting for us not quite able to afford such a behometh card is that it signals some changes from Apple and Drivers. As you can actually run many Kepler cards now without much effort, since they included the drivers to deal with the NVIDIA powered MacBookPro and NVIDIA has started just writing a single driver for all cards in a series instead of different drivers. The thing is as of now you can only see 2GB of RAM on a card without doing some fiddling, which is an arbitrary addition made by Apple. The 4GB of RAM in this card looks like this will soon change for the better. And hopefully we get some Kepler GeForce cards running at full power on the mac soon. Like a GeForce GTX 680 (which matches the 1536 CUDA cores of the QUADRO) with slightly higher memory bandwidth.
Any way you look at this it is good news for high end mac graphics as it looks like NVIDIA is back and here to stay.
How to unlock Adobe Premiere CS5, CS5.5 and CS6 to work with almost any CUDA Card
NVIDIA admits issues with CUDA 5.0.17 and 5.0.24 driver with Premiere Pro
- There is a known issue in this release where forcing or allowing the system to go to sleep while running CUDA applications on 2012 MacBook Pro models with automatic graphics switching will cause a system crash (kernel panic). You can prevent the computer from automatically going to sleep by setting the Computer Sleep option slider to Never in the Energy Saver pane of the System Preferences.
- There is a known issue in this release where CUDA applications will not automatically engage the discrete GPU on 2012 MacBook Pro models with automatic graphics switching. To run CUDA applications, it is necessary to uncheck the Automatic Graphics Switching checkbox in the Energy Saver pane of the System Preferences.
Hmm, doesn't sound like the same issue that I have been having, but hopefully it is similar, and accounts for the Premiere Pro instability.
Installed a PC NVIDIA KEPLER GTX670 Video Card in my MacPro for CUDA editing power
One solution is MacVidCards and their Ebay Site. These guys flash GTX 5xx series videos card with Apple Firmware so that you get full functionality on a Mac, including boot screens and EFI (so if you hold down option you can select hard drives, or go into the terminal before you hit the desktop). This is a great and easy solution for most people, though it leaves out Kepler video cards, the GTX 6xx series cards that are the latest and greatest with the most CUDA cores for real time playback in Premiere Pro.
As of Mountain Lion putting in a GTX 6xx series or Kepler has gotten a lot easier. This is because Mac OS X and the latest NVIDIA drivers now include drivers for the MacBook Pro 15" Retina Display which is has Geforce GT 650m, so there is now some Kepler support in OS X. This means that PC Kepler cards will run in Mountain Lion, with a couple of caveats. One is you don't get the boot screens, because the video drivers don't kick in until just before the desktop shows up. The second is that due to a setting in OS X you can only have up to 2GB of RAM in a video card, if you have more you won't get OpenCL acceleration. It is on this point that the excellent Netkas site comes in. Netkas has figured out multiple methods to make 6xx series NVIDIA cards with over 2GB of RAM work on a Mac.
Yes there are bigger cards with more CUDA cores, like the GTX 680, but it requires 8 pin power, and the Mac only supplies 6 pin power, so you will have to run an external power supply to get it to work, and the GTX 690 is basically 2 video cards in one, so the mac will have trouble using the dual cards, and you won't get the benefit (except in boot camp into Windows). Basically the 670 uses 2 6 pin power adapters, so your mac can power it. I picked up an EVGA Geforce GTX670 FTW+ 4096MB GDDR5 Graphics card and installed it.
There are the instructions for a GTX 670 and the instructions for the rest of the 6xxx series cards on how to get OpenCL working on a card with more than 2GB of RAM.
Now I had problems getting the GTX 670 instructions to work.
I started to a TechTool Pro Safety partition I have on a second drive and did the replacement and repaired permissions and OpenCL was not fixed. After much fiddling I couldn't figure it out, and having read elsewhere on the Netkas forums to also do the Hex edit, I also did the 32 and the ML Hex edit fixes, repaired permissions (A VERY IMPORTANT STEP AS YOUR COMPUTER MAY NOT BOOT IF YOU DON'T DO IT). I used the excellent HexEdit to edit the file.
I tried getting help on the forums, but was basically told how stupid I was and that I had done it wrong (which was not the case). Finally I decided to re-install the latest NVIDIA drivers and see if that did anything, and after restarting, I ran LuxMark (to test OpenCL speeds) and low and behold it now worked.
Honestly I am not sure if I just needed to do the Hex Edit only, as the instructions I saw at Netkas said to try the file replacement for the 670, or if it really did require me doing both to get OpenCL acceleration activated, but doing both certainly worked for me with the addition of re-installing the NVDIA Drivers.
I now have 1344 CUDA cores for Premiere Pro and After Effects, and am looking forward to taking Premiere Pro CS6 and the Mercury Playback engine for a spin with more than 5 times the CUDA cores, twice the RAM and a much faster and newer processor. I will let you know how it performs.
Premiere Pro CS6 having some serious issues with NVIDIA GTX 285
I found this thread on the Adobe Forums, and found my exact problem.
I'm on a MacPro 4,1, Lion 10.7.4, CS6.0.1, 32GB RAM, GTX 285 with the latest nVidia and CUDA drivers. I am seeing 2 primary issues:
Lots of Serious Error crashes. This happens without any noticeable pattern - sometimes with the title tool, trim monitor, or simply just scrubbing the timeline. It seems to happen more frequently with Dynamic Links in the timeline. Also, I believe it is happening more often (or maybe exclusively) with the MPE GPU option enabled. I think in Software Only mode, it may not be present, although further testing required.
Also, I am having an issue where Pr will display black only in the source and program monitors, unless I click around the timeline and will get flashes of images. This is remedied by changing over to Software Only for the MPE. It seems to be worse if Safari is running.
I was having the same issues exactly, and have the same system setup, but with only 24 GB of RAM, and am running Mountain Lion 10.8.0. I kept having to trash my prefs which worked for about 5 minutes before I crashed again.
So I decided to remove the GTC285 and put in my QUADRO FX 4800. It is old and slow, but still pretty decent. I installed it about 2 hours ago, and Premiere Pro has been rock solid afterwards.
This shows it is either an NVIDIA driver or CUDA issue, or something in the Premiere Code with the GTX 285, as with the QUADRO FX 4800 it is running like a dream.
Adobe and NVIDIA need to fix this fast, because this is a major issue. If it was not for me having a spare video card I would have been SOL, as I have to finish this project and fast!
UPDATE: Had one crash after 3 and a half hours, but I have been saving now, back to the old paranoid saving all the time. Still unbelievable the difference with the different video card!
UPDATE AGAIN: And crashed again! OK, so not rock solid, but still much better than it was with the GTX 285.
NVIDIA has updated CUDA to 5.0
The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 is unofficially supported in MacPro
Tej's Tech Blog has a post on installed an NVIDIA GTX 570 PC card into a MacPro and it seems to work except for EFI (so it goes straight to desktop or login screen, you don't see the spinning ball at the start. Guess you can't do safe mode or boot to another drive then from startup, though not positive on that).
You will have to do some Terminal tricks to get the Adobe suite to see it as compatible as the card is not listed for Mac, but it can be done.
This is great news. Wonder if NVIDIA is going towards one driver for all their cards, or if it means that Apple is planning to include NVIDIA if and when it ever updates the MacPro?
No matter what, more NVIDIA support for Macs is a good thing. And it is great that the new MacBook Pro and the MacBook Pro Retina are run by NVIDIA cards, as more CUDA support means more realtime with the Adobe Suite.
Netkas Forums got a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 working in a MacPro
Now lets hope that Mountain Lion come with drivers and new cards are released, or are at least hackable to work, because I want a new video card in a big way!
Maximum PC on NVIDIA Tease
Swedish overclocking site SweClockers.com (as translated and explained by VideoCardz.com) says that "independent sources" claim that "it" is the GeForce GTX 690, the long-rumored video card that theoretically sports two, count 'em, two of the GK104 Kepler GPUs found in the GTX 680, 4GB of GDDR5 memory, 3072 CUDA cores and a pair of 8-pin connectors. That, kiddies, would be one heck of a polygon-pumping beast.
Now this may be a gaming card, but 3072 CUDA cores would be a beast for Premiere Pro! Makes me want a PC for editing!
Next MacPro 16 Core and NVIDIA Graphics?
They would be powered by the new Ivy Bridge 22 nanometer Xeon processors which can have 8 cores and 20MB cache, making for 16 core machines, with 32 virtual machines. And even more exciting to me is the possibility of returning to NVIDIA and their soon to released Kelper hardware. This would mean CUDA acceleration in Adobe Premiere, and hopefully the next generation Quadros being released for the mac. This could mean that Jobs fued with NVIDIA is over. Wouldn’t that rock!
NVIDIA Open Sources CUDA
This means that people will be able to port other programing languages or port CUDA to other platforms like AMD’s or Intel’s. The others have used OPEN CL, but it is not as robust as CUDA, which is why Adobe is so reliant on CUDA for acceleration, and it is hopefully that which will push CUDA to go across all platforms.
Will Apple return to NVIDIA for Laptops?
If this happens, maybe you will even be able to get an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 for the MacPro (if they release one more MacPro system at least), it won’t top an SLI system for CUDA, but would be a pretty serious CUDA system.
One can only hope!
What PC to replace a MacPro if MacPros go away as rumored
I have doing research into what PC could replace a MacPro is Apple does abandon the MacPro which seems more likely with Apple’s complete shift to consumer. I had previously edited on the kick ass HP workstations, but would no longer trust them, with their waffling on the entire PC division.
Well I found these guys that create custom machines for editing. Puget Systems looks like the way to go. Especially if you go the completely Custom Liquid Cooled route.
Personally I think I would go with the new Core i7’s instead of Xeons (I love being able to have multiple CPU’s for rendering in After effects, but the price is ridiculous). And you can get a kick ass GeForce card for a grand with a huge amount of CUDA cores.
Now I want to see a test of a TESLA VS a highe end GeForce doing CUDA!
Adobe and Nvidia Ray Trace in AE
Let’s hope this gets integrated into After Effects soon! Realtime 3D would be amazing.
Premiere in Lion Update
Larry Jordan has a nice post on Accountability
And it really is true. No is accountable, and Apple would hold everyone accountable if things were revered. Nvidia made one mistake and look they have not been in a mac since, and we the users are punished by Apple for it (having to put our ATI cards back in for major upgrades and then re-install the NVIDIA drivers).
I am knee deep into learning Premier Pro (after trying, but giving up on FCP X) and am pretty impressed by many features (especially the XML export being able to do the whole project with all sequences), but can’t see why this was even necessary! I can see that Apple might have wanted to cement their lead in the future, but not at the expense of their entire installed user base who are going to bad mouth the hell out of their new product until they make something useful.
And why buy Color, just to kill it a few years later? Or why kill Shake? Why did they not spin off their entire pro-division like they did with FileMaker Pro? Make a business unit that is answerable to it’s base. and needs to make a product that it’s customers want!
I am left shaking my head.
Honestly I have never seen performance like this
Sure adding an effect on a second clip basically slowed it down too much and I had to render, but I never thought it would work that well. Wow!
Color me impressed
I just ran my first Premiere Pro 5.5 Cuda test with an NVIDIA QUADRO FX 4800. I imported some RAW Canon 60D H.264 footage, and put it in a timeline, scaled it 50% and added 3 more shots, and it played back smoother and fast than any timeline I have ever seen. Color me impressed.
Premiere might not just replace Final Cut Pro, it might blow it out of the water!